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post Feb 23 2008, 01:09 PM
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otprilike tako nekako

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post Feb 23 2008, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE(Wolfbrother @ Feb 23 2008, 09:17 AM)
Aj da probam.

Ocigledno je da treba zbir eksponenata da bude 20.
Da bi dobili ovaj eksponent moramo imati:
1. 6 prvih sabiraka 1 drugi
2. 4 prva sabirka 4 druga
3. 2 prva sabirka 7 drugih
4. 10 drugih sabiraka (podrazumeva se da su sve ostale jedinice)

1. kako je neparan broj drugih to je negativan koeficijent koji stoji ispred x^20 ovog tipa
2. pozitivan
3. negativan
4. pozitivan

E sada prvih ima P1000(6,993)=1000!/6!993!
Drugih P1000(4,4,992)=1000!/4!4!992!
Trecih P1000(2,7,991)=1000!/2!7!991!
Cetvrtih P1000(10,990)=1000!/10!990!
(Ovo su u stvari nacini biranja cinilaca)

I ukupno je -prvi+drugi-treci+cetvrti
Nadam se da je tacan XD.gif.Nista mi bolje nije palo na pamet od kad je ovaj pomenuo permutacije
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Ovo bi trebalo da je dobro, jedino ako nisi pogresio u racunu.


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post Feb 23 2008, 03:55 PM
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woohoo ja sledeci postavljam


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post Feb 23 2008, 04:23 PM
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Evo jedna laka nejednakost:

a,b,c\in R^+  a+b+c=3
Dokazati:
\frac {a+1}{b^2+1}+\frac {b+1}{c^2+1}+\frac {c+1}{a^2+1}\geq3


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post Feb 24 2008, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(Wolfbrother @ Feb 23 2008, 04:23 PM)
Evo jedna laka nejednakost:

a,b,c\in R^+  a+b+c=3
Dokazati:
\frac {a+1}{b^2+1}+\frac {b+1}{c^2+1}+\frac {c+1}{a^2+1}\geq3
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Ovo je verovatno najgluplji moguci nacin da se uradi ovaj zadatak.

prvo posto je a + b + c = 3 iz nejednakosti aritmeticke i geometrijske sredine dobija se abc\leq1. Takodje iz kubne i kvadratne sredine dobija se a^2 + b^2 + c^2 \geq 3 i a^3 + b^3 + c^3 \geq 3. Sad ona trojka se prebaci na drugu stranu i oduzme se po 1 od svakog razlomka. Dobija se \frac{a - b^2}{b^2 +1} + \frac{b - c^2}{c^2 + 1} + \frac{c - a^2}{a^2 + 1} \geq 0. Sad se sve pomnozi sa (a^2+1)(b^2+1)(c^2+1) i dobija se a^3c^2 - a^2b^2c^2 + a^3 - a^2b^2 + ac^2 - b^2c^2 + a - b^2 + b^3a^2 - a^2b^2c^2 + ba^2 - c^2a^2 + b^3 - - c^2b^2 + b - c^2 + c^3b^2 - a^2b^2c^2 + c^3 - a^2c^2 + cb^2 - a^2b^2 + c - a^2 \geq 0 . Posto je a+b+c=3 i abc \leq 1, vazi a + b + c \geq 3a^2b^2c^2 . Sad clan uz b^2c je c^2 +1 - 2c je uvek veci od 0, analogno vazi za clanove uz a^2b, c^2a. Ostaje da se pokaze da je a^3 + b^3 + c^3 \geq a^2 + b^2 + c^2, sto sledi iz nejednakosti kubne i kvadratne sredine i zato sto je a^2 + b^2 + c^2 \geq 3.

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post Feb 24 2008, 08:54 PM
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sad ti postavljas..
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post Feb 24 2008, 09:03 PM
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Evo nesto elementarno
\int \frac{\sin x}{x}dx

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post Feb 24 2008, 09:06 PM
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zasto mene nema u poll-u ipak sam resio ovaj krajnje slozen zadatak smile.gif :
QUOTE(paydoman @ Jun 14 2007, 10:41 PM)
a+b=c
nadji a,b,c wink.gif
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post Feb 24 2008, 09:06 PM
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post Feb 25 2008, 05:40 PM
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Jel moze ubuduce bez gradiva 3. i 4. srednje?Nisam ga jos prosao sad.gif


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post Feb 25 2008, 06:50 PM
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Dobro, salio sam se za onaj zadatak, mislio sam da mozda neko zna integrale pa da se malo muci, posto taj integral nije elementarna funkcija.

Nebitno evo nesto jednostavnije formulisano.

Rastaviti broj 20 na pozitivne sabirke, tako da njihov proizvod bude najveci moguci.

Evo kao mala pomoc funkcija x^{\frac{1}{x}} ima globalni maksimum u tacki e, pre toga (0,e) raste a posle opada.


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post Feb 25 2008, 06:53 PM
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Bio je jedan zadatak slican na jednoj olimpijadi samo sto su brojevi bili celi.

Edit:

(Austrija 1976) Naci najveci broj koji je proizvod cifara prirodnih brojeva cija je suma 1976.

Edit 2:

Ovaj zadatak je laksi, ali mi se jako svidja.

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post Feb 25 2008, 07:14 PM
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Iz A>=G kako jednakost vazi za a1=a2=a3...=an to da bi ovaj proizvod bio najveci svi brojevi moraju biti jednaki.
Ovako mrzi me da pisem u latexu x*x*..x max a to je x^y max gde je x*y=20 pa je y=20/x.Zbog toga je x^(20/x) max i to je x^(1/x) * x^(1/x)... pa mora biti x^(1/x) max i x=e.Pa je resenje e^(20/e).Jel dobro?Nisam pre radio sa e...


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post Feb 25 2008, 07:28 PM
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XD.gif ovo gore je netacno


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post Feb 25 2008, 07:30 PM
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Pa dobro posto si uvideo te sitne greske, ovo resenje je dobro


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post Feb 25 2008, 07:30 PM
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yay!

Sad jedan ubistven. Ako za 5 dana niko ne resi dajem novi. Meni je trebalo 2 sata za ovaj:

Naci sve trojke prirodnih brojeva (a,b,c) takve da proizvod svaka dva daje ostatak 1 pri deljenju sa trecim.

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post Feb 27 2008, 12:26 PM
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Ajde ocekivao sam da ga niko nece lako resiti. Ima li iko bar ideju???


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post Feb 27 2008, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE(Wolfbrother @ Feb 27 2008, 12:26 PM)
Ajde ocekivao sam da ga niko nece lako resiti. Ima li iko bar ideju???
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Ocekuj negde prekosutra, sutra polazem analizu, pa nemam bas vremena u izobilju za takve zadatke.


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post Feb 27 2008, 05:15 PM
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Pa srecno onda!


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post Feb 29 2008, 02:49 AM
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QUOTE(Wolfbrother @ Feb 25 2008, 07:30 PM)
yay!

Sad jedan ubistven. Ako za 5 dana niko ne resi dajem novi. Meni je trebalo 2 sata za ovaj:

Naci sve trojke prirodnih brojeva (a,b,c) takve da proizvod svaka dva daje ostatak 1 pri deljenju sa trecim.
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Prvo ocigledno su ti brojevi razliciti i nijedan nije jednak 1. Sad pretpostavimo da je (a,b,c) neka takva trojka. tada vazi ab-1=xc, bc-1=ya i ac-1=zb. Sad pomnozimo ta tri izraza. Proizvod je deljiv ocigledno sa abc. Dobija se a^2b^2c^2 - abc^2 - ab^2c - a^2bc + bc + ac + ab - 1. Samim tim broj ab + bc +ac - 1 je oblika t*abc, gde je t prirodan broj. Onda je i broj \frac{1}{a} + \frac{1}{b} + \frac{1}{c} - \frac{1}{abc} prirodan. Dovoljno je proveriti prvih par vrednosti za a,b,c jer za velike a,b,c je taj broj manji od 1. Dobija se (2,3,5), sve posle je manje od 1

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